Comments on: Coalition building fail http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html Coffee, Cocktails & More Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:18:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Kimberly http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340528 Kimberly Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:08:57 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340528 Hi Jacob--I know you didn't mean any ill will, and I don't think the raw milk proponent was necessarily saying she would deny access to cigarettes, but I think she may have been referring to smoking in public places and such--where smoking becomes not a private matter any more, but an infringement on the clean air rights of others. Personally, I feel smoke is an assault on my lungs, no matter where it comes from, a grill, a smokestack, car exhaust or a cigar, cig or pipe. Its not like the smokers can keep it to themselves when they are out in public! That is where I think it differs from the raw milk issue--second hand smoke. I grew up in a smokers household--the smoker now has COPD. I only hope I don't end up with the same. But freedom to purchase and consume, I think we can all agree on that. As for the safety of raw milk, the real issue is what is true about the safety of raw milk, and does the government have the truth? Raw milk drinkers would say the government is using 50 year old science, and out of touch on the issue. The public has been influenced heavily by govt statements to believe raw milk is unhealthy. I can tell you the government is wrong! See realmilk.com for the facts! Coalitions sometimes are formed on where we can agree and ignoring where we can't! Regards! Hi Jacob–I know you didn’t mean any ill will, and I don’t think the raw milk proponent was necessarily saying she would deny access to cigarettes, but I think she may have been referring to smoking in public places and such–where smoking becomes not a private matter any more, but an infringement on the clean air rights of others. Personally, I feel smoke is an assault on my lungs, no matter where it comes from, a grill, a smokestack, car exhaust or a cigar, cig or pipe. Its not like the smokers can keep it to themselves when they are out in public! That is where I think it differs from the raw milk issue–second hand smoke. I grew up in a smokers household–the smoker now has COPD. I only hope I don’t end up with the same. But freedom to purchase and consume, I think we can all agree on that.

As for the safety of raw milk, the real issue is what is true about the safety of raw milk, and does the government have the truth? Raw milk drinkers would say the government is using 50 year old science, and out of touch on the issue. The public has been influenced heavily by govt statements to believe raw milk is unhealthy. I can tell you the government is wrong!
See realmilk.com for the facts!

Coalitions sometimes are formed on where we can agree and ignoring where we can’t! Regards!

]]> By: Mike http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340331 Mike Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:42:39 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340331 Just to clarify, I'm completely in favor of making raw milk easily available to any consumer who wants it. I was more trying to understand why any consumer would fall into that category. I guess it's like <i>The Washington Post</i>: if you don't get it, you don't get it. And apparently, in this case, you can't get it. Just to clarify, I’m completely in favor of making raw milk easily available to any consumer who wants it. I was more trying to understand why any consumer would fall into that category. I guess it’s like The Washington Post: if you don’t get it, you don’t get it. And apparently, in this case, you can’t get it.

]]> By: Jacob Grier http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340245 Jacob Grier Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:26:29 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340245 Hi Kimberly, Thanks for commenting, and it was great finally meeting you at the rally. I understand your point, but raw milk is banned precisely because so many people consider it unhealthy. I wouldn't ask or want the woman to take up smoking, but I think that given her concerns she should be wary of restricting consumer access to products on the basis of whether or not they are part of a healthy lifestyle. Anyway, I pointed this out because I thought it was an amusing conversation, not because I bear her any ill will. Hi Kimberly,

Thanks for commenting, and it was great finally meeting you at the rally.

I understand your point, but raw milk is banned precisely because so many people consider it unhealthy. I wouldn’t ask or want the woman to take up smoking, but I think that given her concerns she should be wary of restricting consumer access to products on the basis of whether or not they are part of a healthy lifestyle.

Anyway, I pointed this out because I thought it was an amusing conversation, not because I bear her any ill will.

]]> By: Kimberly Hartke http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340238 Kimberly Hartke Wed, 04 Jun 2008 17:18:03 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-340238 Hey, go easy on the raw milk gal, she is being consistent to her beliefs about pursuing a healthy lifestyle. She is only inconsistent if you are judging her as a libertarian. She is a health concious consumer and based on this identity, she is being consistent! Hey, go easy on the raw milk gal, she is being consistent to her beliefs about pursuing a healthy lifestyle. She is only inconsistent if you are judging her as a libertarian. She is a health concious consumer and based on this identity, she is being consistent!

]]> By: Jacob Grier http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339811 Jacob Grier Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:43:35 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339811 Glad to hear it, Fanna! Glad to hear it, Fanna!

]]> By: Fanna Raw http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339810 Fanna Raw Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:42:18 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339810 More than a belief, Jacob. :) http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html Wish I could have made the rally. BTW, I'm an ex-smoker and support smokers' rights. Consistency IS important. ;) More than a belief, Jacob. :)

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/raw_milk_health_benefits.html

Wish I could have made the rally. BTW, I’m an ex-smoker and support smokers’ rights. Consistency IS important. ;)

]]> By: Jacob Grier http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339801 Jacob Grier Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:08:59 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339801 It does. But it also changes the taste of milk, not necessarily in a good way. Some people also believe that the bacteria killed during pasteurization are beneficial for human health. It does. But it also changes the taste of milk, not necessarily in a good way. Some people also believe that the bacteria killed during pasteurization are beneficial for human health.

]]> By: Mike http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339794 Mike Tue, 03 Jun 2008 14:03:37 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339794 I still don't get this. Why raw milk? I thought pasteurization was a good thing that stopped people from getting sick... I still don’t get this. Why raw milk? I thought pasteurization was a good thing that stopped people from getting sick…

]]> By: Doug Winship http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339784 Doug Winship Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:03:17 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339784 Heh. At least she was self-aware enough to realize she was having trouble with her consistency. Heh.
At least she was self-aware enough to realize she was having trouble with her consistency.

]]> By: RumorsDaily http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339657 RumorsDaily Tue, 03 Jun 2008 00:54:50 +0000 http://www.jacobgrier.com/blog/archives/1152.html#comment-339657 Hypocrite! I'm totally in favor of banning the milk now. Hypocrite! I’m totally in favor of banning the milk now.

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